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The writer would be interested to hear from owners of the Primus lathe

Handbooks and Parts Manuals are available for Weiler lathes

Over many decades, the Weiler company have enjoyed a fine reputation as a maker of high-quality lathes, together with a limited range of small milling machines. From the 1940s onwards, a range of conventional machines was offered, a mixture of plain-turning "precision bench"  types, production capstan and toolroom-class screwcutting models. Models manufactured included the Commodor, Primus  Praktikant, Plain Lathes, Ergodor, Matadorr, Condor Praktikus, Turnomat and a series known as the HP, LZ, LD, MD, MF and RD. Today, in addition to some CNC machines, the Company still manufactures high-class manual lathes - one of the few surviving makers of such items for which there is a steady if limited demand.
Starting life in the 1950s as the LZ280 and LZ300, by late in that decade the improved and larger LZ330 had been introduced - though the earlier models, including the LZ280, were still being offered as less costly alternatives. By the mid 1960s the lathe had been developed further - with changes to the spindle-speed range and the screwcutting and feeds gearbox - and was listed as the "Condor", though again, the older models continued to be listed for a time.

With a 165 mm (6.5") centre height and accepting 800 mm (32") between centres, the LZ339 was supplied on a one-piece, welded plate steel cabinet stand that held the drive system in the left-hand section with a large lockable double-shelved tool storage compartment with a slide-out inclined collet tray in the centre and, if fitted, the electric coolant pump to the right. Electrical switchgear was also to the right-hand side, held in a separate, isolated box covered at the front by the switchgear panel.
Identical in design to that used on the LZ280 and LZ300, the bed of the LZ300 was formed as a heavy box section with the deep walls cross-braced by diagonal ribs. Cast from a normalised Meehanite iron it had a hard, close-grained finish to Brinell 220 and carried two ground-finished V ways and two flat - the carriage of course running on one pair and the tailstock the other. As an option, when an especially long life was required, a flame-hardened bed could be provided that had a claimed average hardness of Brinell 450.
Customers were offered a choice of two drive systems: the
Type W variable-speed type, intended for use by toolmakers and the Type VS with an interesting pre-selector gearbox that was designed to be more efficient in general work and production processes. The variable-speed model used a traditional, mechanical "expanding-and-contracting" system where one pulley was actively opened and closed (by a drive carried from the operator's rotary handwheel along a flexible shaft) and the other spring loaded. With a 2 h.p. motor fitted, the Type W had stepless range of speeds (including backgear) from 45 to 1400 r.p.m. with the speed-control handwheel given a direct-reading, colour-coded speed indicator - perfect, unless the operator was colour blind. Another option available was a 2-speed, 1-2 h.p. motor that gave 22 to 2400 r.p.m.
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Weiler LZ330 lathe Model  VS with pre-selector gearbox

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Fitted with a powerful 4 h.p. motor, the
Type VS was equipped with an oil-bath-lubricated, 9-step pre-selector gearbox with hardened and ground gears and an internal reduction ratio of 1 : 1.41. In conjunction with backgear the box gave eighteen spindle speeds of: 24, 34, 50, 80, 115, 135, 165, 190, 235, 285, 335, 440 and 500 r.p.m. in backgear and 630, 930, 1330, 1900, and 2800 r.p.m. in open belt drive. Alternatively, when much work was expected to be undertaken on smaller diameters and light alloys, a special gearbox could be fitted with finer a internal ratio of 1 : 1.26 that gave 18 spindle speeds from 80 to 2800 r.p.m. Alternatively, a 2-speed 2-4 h.p. motor could be specified that gave, in conjunction with the standard gearbox, 36 speeds spanning 40 to 2800 r.p.m.
Final drive to the spindle on both machines was by twin, matched V-belts; the headstock pulley was arranged to run in own bearings - with the drive transmitted to the spindle though a sliding, internal-tooth clutch. With this system the spindle was relieved of all belt loads and isolated, to a large extent, from vibrations set up within the transmission system. As genuine, matched sets of belt pairs now appear to be unavailable, (and a pair of ordinary belts can cause noise and vibration), today the solution is to use a belt of the accurately made T-Link type.
Electrical control of the motor's stop, start and reverse was by a lever pivoting from the apron's right-hand face - the rod it operated being connected to a switch within the right-hand cabinet leg; unfortunately, the front face of this leg was also the location for the electrical controls, non of which appear to have been duplicated near the headstock. Should the operator's have been involved in an industrial-quality accident, not having immediate access to an emergency stop button would  have seriously impaired his or her chances of survival. If you own a Weiler, arranging a kill switch on or near the headstock - or as a minimum one between the stand legs - would be a wise precaution.
Using a 24 mm diameter 6 mm pitch (or 4 t.p.i.) leadscrew, screwcutting and power sliding and surfacing feeds were provided by a traditional Norton-type gearbox with a sliding tumbler selector and oil-bath lubrication. The gears were all hardened, shaved and held on shafts running in ball or roller races. Without altering the changewheel drive, 45 English pitches were available from 1.5 to 40 t.p.i. and 40 metric from 0.35 to 12 mm. With the substitution of other gears 21 MOD pitches from 0.2 to  6.0 Mod and 36 diametral from 4 to 100 D.P. could also be generated. On the ordinary setting the 39 rates of longitudinal power feed ran from 0.104 mm to 1.270 mm (0.0039" to 0.0472") and on the fine setting from 0.026 to 0.317 mm (0.0009 to 0.0118") all per revolution of the spindle. Power cross feed rates were set at half those for longitudinal.
Backgear was at a ratio of 5.7 : 1 with all the gears hardened, ground and running in an oil bath. The spindle, bored through 1.5" (38 mm) was made from a manganese-chrome alloy steel forging, completely case hardened (not just the nose) and finish ground along its length. It ran in high precision, selected bearings: a double-row cylindrical roller bearing at the front and two adjustable, combined thrust and angular-contact bearings at the rear. Two spindle-nose fittings were offered, an ordinary screw thread to DIN38 (4 mm pitch by 60 mm diameter) or, at extra cost, a DIN-55-022 No. 5 with a bayonet-type safety lock. The nose taper was a No. 5 Morse, supplied with a hardened, No. 3 Morse reduction sleeve.
Double-walled, the oil-bath apron was a model of simplicity and strength. Shafts ran at both ends in bronze bushes or ball races with all gears heat-treated and cross-shaved. Feed direction - sliding or surfacing - was selected by a push-pull knob and, as the feed-shaft passed through a knock-off wormbox, the engagement and disengagement required only the lightest of touches on the lever - no matter how deep the cut. Most usefully, both feeds directions were equipped with adjustable knock-off stops that also doubled as overload protection. Unfortunately the carriage traverse handle was fitted to the left, so positioning the operator's hand to receive stray, red-hot turnings - though as compensation the wheel was equipped with a large-diameter zeroing micrometer dial.
Of Acme form, the cross and top slide feed screws ran through bronze nuts and were supported on ball races; the cross-feed nut was of the anti-backlash type and able to be adjusted to remove play without dismantling. The micrometer dials were of large diameter, dull-chrome plated and fitted with friction adjusters that were light to set yet secure enough to prevent accidental resetting. The full-length cross slide was machined with two traverse T-slots behind the top slide, so allowing a rear toolpost or other accessory to be mounted.
Of the other, similar and contemporary Weiler lathes, the Matador was a slightly smaller machine than the Condor with a centre height of 5.87" and a capacity between centres of 20"; unlike the Condor it was not described as suitable for "
Toolroom and Production" but simply as a "Toolroom" lathe. The same two types of drive system were offered, but the electric motors fitted were generally less powerful in the non variable-speed model and, while the general appearance of the two models was very similar, there were numerous significant differences..

Weiler LZ330 lathe Model W with variable-speed drive

Weiler ZL330 Model VS with variable speed drive

Complete transmission system of the ordinary 'gearbox' model showing the twin V-belt drive from the 9-speed, car-like pre-selector gearbox to a pulley (on the headstock spindle) which ran in its own bearings. In conjunction with backgear the box gave eighteen spindle speeds of: 24, 34, 50, 80, 115, 135, 165, 190, 235, 285, 335, 440 and 500 r.p.m. in backgear and 630, 930, 1330, 1900, and 2800 r.p.m. in open belt drive
Alternatively, when much work was expected to be undertaken on smaller diameters and light alloys, a special gearbox could be fitted with finer a internal ratio of 1 : 1.26 that gave 18 spindle speeds from 80 to 2800 r.p.m. Alternatively, a 2-speed 2-4 h.p. motor could be specified that gave, in conjunction with the standard gearbox, 36 speeds spanning 40 to 2800 r.p.m.

The screwcutting gear and feedbox could - as some other lathes of high quality - be driven from either the screwcutting gears or through a belt arranged to give even finer rates of feed suitable for very-fine finishes at high spindle speeds. A single lever (lower right in the illustration)

Fitted with a wide belt,  the speed-variator unit was fastened, together its drive motor, on a cast-iron base plate and "cushion" mounted within the stand under the headstock.
This was a traditional, mechanical "expanding-and-contracting" system. where one pulley was actively opened and closed (by a drive carried from the operator's rotary handwheel along a flexible shaft) and the other spring loaded. With a 2 h.p. motor fitted, the
Type W had stepless range of speeds (including backgear) from 45 to 1400 r.p.m. with the speed-control handwheel given a direct-reading, colour-coded speed indicator - perfect, unless the operator was colour blind. Another option available was a 2-speed, 1-2 h.p. motor that gave 22 to 1400 r.p.m.

Carriage assembly showing the multi-stop unit fitted to the cross feed

Spindle-speed control dial from the Model W with variable-speed drive

Inside the screwcutting
and feeds' gearbox

View down into the apron

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Taper-turning unit. Note the raised T-slotted section at the rear of the cross slide

Weiler LZ330 lathe Model  VS with pre-selector gearbox

Handbooks and Parts Manuals are available for Weiler lathes

  Weiler Home Page  Condor   Weiler Primus   Praktikant   Praktikus 

Weiler LZ330   Commodor   Ergodor   Matador   220, 250, and 280 Series

Weiler LZ280 & LZ300

Weiler LD-220, MD-220, LD-250, LDS-250, LDT-250, MF-220,

RDT-260, LZT-280N, LDT-250/6 & Variants

Weiler LZ330 Lathe
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