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In the 1920s and 1930s there was a proliferation of small-lathe manufacturers in England and some, although they became well known amongst model engineers, were tiny outfits, often no more than a man and a boy (or two) and an output per annum to match. "Winfield" were one such concern, widely known through their advertisements in the model-engineering press and run by Mr. Charles Winfield first (in the late 1920s) from a room in the same mill in Beeston that would be occupied by Myfords from 1932 - and then, from 1934, in workshops behind a Victorian house at 144 College Street, Long Eaton, near Nottingham, where they stayed until their bankruptcy in, it is thought, 1952. However, although the origins of Winfield are well documented, mystery surrounds another company who made small lathes "Lineker & Winfield". They may have been nothing to do with Winfield, or might have been Mr. Winfield's first business venture in a partnership. Another uncertainity surrounds the use by Granville of Winfield beds from which the maker's name had been crudely chiselled. A known example of this type, a Granville XL, has paperwork confirming its sale in 1950, indicating that Winfield either had surplus parts to dispose of or their commercial failure (or cessation of production) happened well before the formal winding-up of the enterprise in 1952.
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A  "Mk. 3" 4.25" x 20" gap-bed Winfield of the 1930s. Today this is by far the most commonly-encountered model. Later versions were changed in detail with some having V-belt drive.
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Like Portass in Sheffield, Winfield built their lathes in small batches and, from the selection that has passed through the writer's hands, a guess could be hazarded that each set was slightly different to the previous and incorporated, at the whim of the foreman or factory owner, such modifications or alterations that seemed, at the time, most appropriate. Little-used examples that have come to light in recent years show they were produced on a tight budget with castings left in a rough state, an indifferent cosmetic finish and evidence of hand-work being necessary to get everything working properly. However, the underlying workmanship was sound and the design superior to the cheaper Portass models and equal to that company's heavier versions of the "Dreadnaught" It is not known which Winfield's first lathe, but two obviously very early examples have been discovered, one with flat-belt drive and the other with V-pulleys. The V-belt machine is known from just one photograph of a lathe perched on an oil drum outside the factory door  and a (so-far) single surviving example (shown at the bottom of this page) fitted with a tailstock of different design. Not one of the company's advertising literature leaflets mentions these Mk. 1 lathes, but instead features the Randa lathes bought in for resale from Ross and Alexander in London - examples are shown at the bottom of this page.
One Winfield example, which must be a Mk. 2, has survived in remarkably good original order and is shown below in its original dark finish. This has many features found on the Mk. 3 yet also many distinct differences including: a backgear assembly clustered (like a Myford ML2/ML4) just inboard of the spindle nose; a rather perfunctory apron not dissimilar to the kind found on contemporary Randa lathes of the better-specified type; a shorter headstock bolted down with two bolts at the front but only one to the left - and a rather limited capacity between centres, through greater than on the tiny Mk. 1.
Today, the most commonly encountered Winfield is the later and much-improved Mk. 3 4.25" x 20" gap-bed model; this was a sound development of the earlier types and based on a strongly-built 'cantilever' bed with a deep box section between the mounting feet. The headstock casting was stiffened by having its front face drawn up level with the lower edges of the simple, split, bronze bearings - and was fastened solidly to the bed by four substantial studs and nuts. Although the spindle nose carried the same thread and No. 2 Morse taper as the late-model Myford ML4 and the Series 7, (11/8" x 12 t.p.i.) it did not, at least on the versions inspected, have the same "step-up" register between the thread and spindle-abutment face.
A rather wider-than-normal  (a useful 1.25" rather than 0.75" or 1") flat-belt drive was standard, although a V-belt option was listed as a "no-cost" option; surprisingly, this cannot have been taken up my many buyers, for the writer has seen only three so equipped.  Both stand-alone and built-on countershafts were offered as extra cost; the latter unit consisted of a substantial box-form casting bolted to the back of the bed and carrying a swing-head unit with the belt tension set by a simple cam-action lever that worked on only one side of the unit. The countershaft bearings, like those in the lathe headstock, were in plain bronze, split on one side for adjustment.
Tumble reverse appears to have been part of the standard specification but, whilst (some) later machines were fitted with a heavy cast-iron changewheel cover, all early lathes, in the spirit of the times, had them completely exposed. On all early lathes the leadscrew ran in a bolt-on hanger bearing at the headstock end and a cast-in bearing at the tailstock. However, very late examples of the Mk. 3 have been found with bolt-on bearings in bronze at both ends--though why this change was made is unknown, possibly problems with the jigging process (and machinery missing from the factory after WW2) were to blame.
Even to the little leadscrew swarf guard the whole of the carriage assembly was very like that of a Myford ML2/4, with the thread for the cross-slide screw being formed directly in the metal of the saddle and a simple rectangular (later triangular) end plate fitted to the end of the T-slotted cross slide.  Again, similar to the very first ML2 models, the top slide was held in place with a single bolt, around which it could be swivelled. In standard form no graduations were fitted to either top or cross-slide feed screws - though a graduated handwheel could be purchased, as an accessory, to fit the latter.
With its square-section thread the hollow-bored tailstock barrel carried no ruler markings - but was fitted with a 2 Morse taper, a considerable improvement on the No. 1 normally found on small lathes of this vintage; unfortunately, the barrel was clamped by a screw that closed down a slot cut in the tailstock casting - an arrangement that might have worked adequately-well when the machine was new, but not so perfectly when everything had bedded in and worn a little a few years later.
Several other models were also produced by the company, including one (very rare) with a 5-inch centre height, two earlier versions of the Mk. 3, and one whose parentage must be in doubt, the "Lineker & Winfield". This model had bed and headstock cast as one, a backgear clustered at the left-hand end of the headstock and two bed-mounting feet.
Like many other makers Winfield were not above buying-in the efforts of other makers and branding them as their own with (as shown below) examples found of Randa lathes (Ross & Alexander, of London) with beds carrying the Winfield name. If you own an example of any type of Winfield, and could take some sharp photographs, or have any Winfield advertising literature, the writer would be very pleased to hear from you.
Randa lathes badged as Winfield can be seen on this page.
Tony Griffiths

The Winfield workers circa 1949. From the left: Clarence Thumpston, Johnny Coates (?), Jim Salisbury and Cecile Whitall. The lathe on the oil drum is thought to be the first example produced - we shall call it the Mk. 1 - and must have been made in very limited numbers. Today they are very rare - and only one has been seen in recent years. Note the single bolt at the front of the headstock; V-belt drive, the backgear clustered just behind the spindle nose (instead of full-length) the apparent lack of tumble reverse and the very short bed - making the bed-foot almost centrally placed.

Charles Winfield at a horizontal milling machine

Raymond Winfield, Charles' son, working at a CVA (Kearney & Trecker) vertical miller in the lathe factory, circa 1949

Another very rare Winfield - and almost certainly a "Mk. 2" version of the lathe seen on the oil drum. This very original and little-used example has, in comparison, a longer bed, tumble reverse and a stronger-looking tailstock - and no doubt many smaller modifications as well

A very simple way of fitting a location for the tumble-reverse arm - a strip of sheet steel bent to provide the necessary location holes

As a cheap lathe little effort went in to fettling or smoothing the castings. Even so, it was a better proposition than the equivalent Portass

Like most small pre-war English lathes the cross-feed screw ran in a thread tapped directly into the cast-iron of the saddle

A robust tailstock with a through-bore to the barrel. The handle on the end of the leadscrew is not original

As on later versions the cross slide carried substantial T-slots--so greatly enhancing the lathe's versatility in the hands of a model or experimental engineer

Above and below: a rare V-belt drive Mk. 3 Winfield, almost certainly post WW2. Although the wide pulley assembly
had plenty of room for four different sizes of V - only three were ever fitted. Note the bolt-on bronze leadscrew hanger bearings

Now contriving to look much more "grown up"  - and with improved detailing - the post-war Winfield made a reasonable competitor for the Myford ML7

The toolpost was a "Norman patent" quick-set type - a design made famous by its use on thousands of Drummond M-Type lathes

Still with unguarded changewheels but, just visible to the rear, is a neat but heavy bolt-on countershaft unit

Although bolted to the back of the bed the otherwise useful countershaft lacked an integral motor platform

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