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E-Mail Tony@lathes.co.uk Home Machine Tool Archive Machine Tools For Sale & Wanted Machine Tool Manuals Machine Tool Catalogues
Ideal Lathe - Willimott Lathe
Yet another small English lathe made from the 1920 to the early 1950s the 3.75" x 14" backgeared and screwcutting Ideal was manufactured by the Ideal Machine & Tool Co, London E8 but often badged and advertised by J. Willimott and Sons, Engineers, of Canal Street Works, Chilwell, Nottinghamshire, as their own product. A further address for Willamott during 1948 was Hallam Road, Beeston, Nottinhgahamshire. The lathe was also advertised by Buck & Ryan (a well-known national tool and machinery supplier) as the "Faircut" - though the machine obviously had nothing to do with the Sheffield-based company whose lathes were of an entirely different design. It was also to be found in some pre-war editions of the Tyzack & Son machinery mail-order catalogue. Willimot also advertised milling machines, but non have yet been found (if you have one, the writer would be interested to know). Sales literature for all Willimot products is rare, and little is known of the lathes' official specification; however, it appears that the machines were listed (by Willimot themselves) as the "Acme" type with two models available, the A and A1, though what differences existed between the two types is not known. As a result, this is one lathe often found without any manufacturer's identification: there were no names cast into the bed and the writer would not be surprised to find examples carrying a "Gamages" badge. Indeed, one owner of an Ideal, bought new from a tool dealer in the early 1950s, only discovered what make it was in 2009. A lathe very similar in appearance to the Ideal was also manufactured (it is shown at the bottom of the page, painted red) but this had so many minor differences that it could well have been a copy. In addition, a further type has been discovered (shown below in the black and white photographs) that may well have been Willimott's own production, though this cannot be confirmed. As the Ideal was steadily developed during its production run, it is entirely possible that the company ran off examples with a specification modified to the order of a larger dealer or overseas' customer - examples of this type having been found in Australia. Several significant alterations were made to the headstock bearings - split pinch-blot in two versions, draw-in taper and bolt-down cap - and at least three designs of apron used that carried either a simple, bolt-on full leadscrew nut (under the saddle) or clasp nuts carried in short and long castings. Even the shape of bed mounting feet and position of the holding-down bolts was altered - some lathes having them to the left, others on the centre line. A rather light, insubstantial machine it nevertheless managed to incorporate many useful and well-though-out features as standard: tumble reverse, split leadscrew nuts, backgear, elegant (but fragile) cast-iron handles with distinctive swept-back spokes, a leadscrew handwheel and a gap bed. Rather strangely (and another useful identification point) on many models both the cross and top slides were T-slotted. However, changes were also made in this department with some lathes having the cross-feed screw carried in a boss that bolted to the front of the apron (so leaving the screw exposed as the slide advanced) while others had a completely different design with a plate bolted to the end of the cross slide and covered ways. A traditional English-style, flat-topped bed with 60-degree angle edges was used and early models were fitted with flat-belt drive and simple parallel plain-bush "split" headstock bearings, adjusted by a split in the bearing housing closed down by a bolt. Later machines were considerably improved by the use of a heavier, more rigid headstock casting with a flat front face (that gave improved support to the bearing posts) and the fitting of "draw-in" bronze bearings whose clearances could be set by screwed rings that pulled them into the headstock casting together with (unusually for this class and age of machine) a ball-bearing thrust race at the left-hand end. Oddly, a new headstock pattern was not commissioned, instead the older one was modified leaving the bosses for the camp screws still in place--with some even being cored ready for the drilling and tapping. The front bearing was a single taper with that at the rear (at least on those examples seen) a double cone. The headstocks of machines made in the final years of production were further strengthened by the use of bolt-down cap bearings, an unusual fitting to be found on any small, inexpensive lathe. Yet another version, a "poverty" special was also manufactured (badged "Willimott") with distinctive pinch-bolt bearings having long extended "flanges" at the front. This lathe also had V-belt drive, a single swivelling top slide, a full leadscrew nut and the necessary dog clutch to disengage the drive. Because from the start of production all models had a handwheel fitted to the leadscrew - and hence a method of moving the carriage steadily and slowly under hand control - early examples had the apron handwheel geared directly to the rack (giving a usefully rapid movement up and down the bed, but making it difficult to use for taking a cut) while later machines were given an intermediate gear that produced a finer and more controllable feed. On "direct-gear" models the carriage handwheel was carried on a bracket cast as an extension to the right-hand side of the apron but when (at some unknown date) the intermediate gear was introduced, the apron become a proper full-length and full depth type. Early models had their changewheels carried in a single-slot bracket and then, to improve the threading range and allow a finer power feed to be generated, in a bracket formed as an unusually narrow-angle fork. Quite why the angle chosen was so tight is not known but it certainly limited the arrangement of compound gears that could be carried - the early South Bend 9-inch (as the Model 40)5 also underwent a similar transformation from single to forked bracket and details of how this affected the threading and feed arrangements can be read here. All examples of the Ideal inspected by the writer had tumble reverse fitted as standard and each had a rather over-wide gap in the bed that required, if working close up to the faceplate, the top slide to be well advanced if the cutting tool were to reach it without the carriage running over fresh air. Some thought had obviously been given by the designer to the needs of the model and experimental engineer who intended to mount a milling slide - and who therefore required as much cross slide travel as possible: to obtain this he made the cross-slide end support bracket in the form of a long tube - so allowing the slide to be drawn all the way back until it met the inner face of the handwheel. Unfortunately the tailstock suffered from that weakness common to so many cheaper lathes, an arrangement that relied upon the closing down of a long slot in the casting to grip and lock the barrel. As some slight compensation the method of clamping the tailstock to the bed was the well designed (if rather old-fashioned in concept) method of the cam spindle running longitudinally through the lower part of the casting and emerging underneath the barrel handwheel. In line with the improvements seen in other areas, as the design matured the tailstock was also strengthened by the use of a generally heavier casting with the previously curved sides somewhat straightened out. One interesting point about the tailstock was the means of locking it down: this was achieved by a central clamp that drew upwards against the inside faces of the bed - that nearer to the front being vertical with the one behind set at 60°. As the whole machine was lightly constructed, a vigorous pull of the locking handle was sufficient to make the bed swell outwards slightly and cause the carriage movement to stiffen as it neared the tailstock. If any reader has an original Ideal the writer would be interested to hear from you..
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An early Ideal with flat-belt drive, the lightweight apron - cut away under the carriage hand-traverse wheel - and plain-bush split-type headstock. Whilst the latter were easy to adjust they were even easier to over-tighten and snap the headstock casting.
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A late-model Ideal with a longer bed where the ways extended to the right of the tailstock-end foot. Note the longer, flat-faced, full-length saddle and heavier tailstock casting.
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A 3.5" x 18" gap-bed, backgeared and screwcutting lathe believed to be a Willimott and possible constructed by themselves rather than by Ideal. The bed was of typically English design with a flat top and 60-degree edges. The leadscrew was fitted with a full nut, held against the underside of a perfunctory apron, with the necessary dog clutch operated by a linkage that brought the operating lever close to the turner's hand. Screwcutting changewheels were carried on a forked bracket with an unusually narrow angle that would have limited the range of pitches and feeds available - or at least made then awkward to set up. The headstock spindle ran in simple, split plain bearings, with unprotected holes drilled through the top for lubrication, while the full-width backgear was carried on an eccentric shaft at the rear. Although gear guards were fitted (by no means the case on all inexpensive lathes at the time) that over the large spindle-mounted bull gear left a good number of teeth exposed at the front. As with most small English lathes the cross slide of a generous size and carried T-slots - though with three rather large ones instead of four smaller that would have been more useful. The cross-slide end plate through which the square-section feedscrew passed was just bolted on, with no attempt made to step it out and son increase the extended travel so useful when mounting a vertical milling slide. Held in place by a single bolt (the idea of using two on most smaller and cheaper lathes took the best part of thirty years to evolve) the top-slide was formed with its feed-screw support "cast-in" resulting in yet another limitation to tool travel. On the examples so far discovered, no micrometer dials were fitted, though it is possible that late machines might have been so equipped. Flat-belt drive seems to have been standard through the 1930s, but by the mid 1940s the option of V-pulleys was available.
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Either the maker's or a contemporary countershaft - the narrowness of the motor-drive pulley indicating that is was intended (as on many South Bend lathes) to be driven by the inside flat of a V-belt (with a V-belt pulley on the motor).
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An early long-bed Ideal in remarkably fine and (with the exception of a micrometer dial on the cross-slide screw) exceptionally original condition. This model has the draw-in cone bearings (a single taper at the front and a double at the rear. Note the headstock casting around the bearings - this has been left in exactly the same form as used for the earlier split-bearing type, even to the holes being cored ready for drilling and tapping to take the bearing compression screws.
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A V-belt-drive machine from the final years of production with a stronger, flat-faced headstock casting carrying cap-type bearings - an unusual fitting to find on any small, inexpensive lathe of the time.
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Later Ideal apron. The micrometer dial can be zeroed - but not original.
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Early Ideal apron with its large leadscrew clasp nut and directly-geared handwheel carried on a slender (cast-in) bracket
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An interim model with the strengthened headstock and "draw-in" headstock bearings .
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All Ideal lathes appear to have been fitted with not only a T slotted cross slide, but a T slotted top slide as well. This was a useful arrangement if you wanted to mount three toolposts - and very useful if the end of the long-travel slide snapped off in a moment of unguarded optimism as you buried the turning tool into the face of a three-inch diameter billet of EN45 - at least you had two more T slots into which the tool could be mounted.
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This "as-found" Ideal still has the original design of split-bearing headstock casting but in this case carrying the later "draw-in" tapered bush.
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A V-belt driven Ideal badged as a Willimot. This cheaper version was fitted with a single swivelling top slide and a full leadscrew nut bolted to the underside of the saddle. The headstock bearings were unusual in having long, distinctive extensions to accommodate the pinch bolts.
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Distinctive extended front flanges to the headstock bearings of the Willimott Ideal. Note the dog clutch (necessary to cope with the full leadscrew nut and the heavy backgears.
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Single swivelling slide rest of the lower-priced Willimott
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Is this an Ideal ? It may be, yet there a number of significant differences: the headstock is bolted down through a flange at the front with provision for screws to pass through the front of the bed and push it backwards against a machined vertical surface. The cross slide has a bracket bolted to its end face and covered ways whilst the top slide, which would be a first on an Ideal, does not carry T-slots. The tailstock is also of an entirely new, much more rugged design.
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